Designer jeans, and what happens after the first wash
Designer jeans from Edwin, Nudie, Jacob Cohen, 7 For All Mankind and Paul Smith. Some of these are raw and will move a size after washing, some are sanforized and will barely move, and some have elastane and will bag rather than shrink. The section below sorts out which is which.
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Frequently Asked Questions
Do jeans shrink in the wash?
It depends entirely on the pair, which is why the general answer online is useless. Sanforized denim is pre-shrunk mechanically and moves no more than about 5%. Unsanforized or loomstate denim can shrink up to about 10%, which is one to two sizes. Denim with elastane does not really shrink at all, it bags out at the knee and seat through the day and recovers partly in the wash. Those are three different outcomes from the same question, so check which type a pair is before you size it.
What does oz mean in denim?
The weight of one square yard of the fabric, not the weight of the jeans. Under 12oz is lightweight, 12 to 16oz is midweight and covers most everyday denim, and 16oz and above is heavyweight. Heavier denim is stiffer at first and takes longer to break in, but it holds fades and creases much better and lasts longer.
What is selvedge denim?
Denim woven on a vintage shuttle loom, which produces a roll a little under three feet wide with a finished, self-bound edge. That edge is the selvedge, and it is what you see in the outseam when you turn up a cuff. Modern projectile looms weave much wider and faster but leave a raw edge that has to be overlocked. Shuttle looms run slowly and some are deliberately set to chatter, which creates the uneven surface texture that people buy selvedge for in the first place.
How do I wash raw denim?
Cool or lukewarm water, never hot, because heat costs you indigo and adds shrinkage. Soak in a tub for 30 to 45 minutes with as little agitation as you can manage, rinse cold for five to ten minutes, then hang to air dry overnight. No washing machine, no tumble dryer. Ignore the advice about waiting six months before the first wash. Every three to four months of moderate wear is sensible, and a dirty pair wears out faster than a washed one.
Should I size up in raw denim?
Only if the pair is unsanforized, and you need to know which it is first. Unsanforized denim can lose up to about 10% after the first soak, which is one to two sizes, so buying your normal size leaves you with jeans that no longer fit. Sanforized raw denim is pre-shrunk and should be bought in your usual size.
What is the difference between stretch and rigid denim?
Elastane content. Stretch denim feels better immediately and moves with you, but it bags at the knee and the seat over a day's wear and only partly recovers in the wash. Rigid denim, with no elastane, is uncomfortable for the first couple of weeks and then moulds to you and holds its shape. Jacob Cohen and 7 For All Mankind sit at the stretch end. Edwin and Nudie tend towards rigid. Neither is better, they are different purchases, and most disappointment comes from buying one and expecting the other.
Can I buy Nudie or Edwin jeans in Belfast?
Yes. Both are on the rails at UG40, 1 Victoria Square, Belfast BT1 4QG, where the shop trades as Rio Brazil, alongside Jacob Cohen, 7 For All Mankind and Paul Smith. Denim is worth trying on rather than ordering, particularly if you are moving between a rigid pair and a stretch one, because the same waist measurement wears quite differently in each.
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The question nobody answers: what will it do after the first wash
You can put five pairs of jeans next to each other and they will behave completely differently, and no retailer tells you which is which. Here is the framework.
Sanforized denim has been pre-shrunk mechanically. Published figures for how much it still moves range from about 2 to 3% up to about 5%, so treat 5% as the outside case.
Unsanforized, sometimes called loomstate, has not. It can shrink up to about 10%, which the same source describes elsewhere as one to two sizes. That is a completely different purchase decision.
Denim with elastane in it does neither. It bags out instead, typically at the knee and the seat, and then partly recovers when washed.
Denim weight, in ounces
The oz figure is the weight of one square yard of the fabric, not the weight of the jeans.
Under 12oz is lightweight. Twelve to 16oz is midweight, which covers most of what people wear. Sixteen oz and above is heavyweight, which is stiff at first, takes longer to break in, and holds a crease and a fade far better.
Most denim of 20oz or more comes from Japan, against 11 to 14oz for standard Western denim. That is not the same as saying Japanese denim is generally heavy: most of it sits in the 13 to 16oz range like anything else.
What actually makes Japanese denim different
This gets written about badly, so here is the substance.
It is woven on vintage Toyoda shuttle looms descended from 1924 machines, which produce rolls a little under three feet wide. That narrow width is where the selvedge edge comes from. The looms run slowly, and some are deliberately modified to chatter, which creates the irregular surface texture that is the whole point.
Much of the high end is loomstate: not sanforized, not singed, not calendered. So it is precisely the denim most likely to shrink a full size.
The dye practice differs too, including dyed wefts that give a grey or brown cast rather than the white weft of standard denim.
Edwin comes out of this tradition, which is worth knowing before you buy a pair in your usual size.
Washing raw denim
Use cool to lukewarm water. Warmer water costs you more indigo and more shrinkage.
Soak in a tub for 30 to 45 minutes with minimal agitation, then rinse cold for five to ten minutes and hang to air dry overnight. No machine and no tumble dryer.
The old advice about waiting six months before the first wash is not supported by the people who actually know denim. Every three to four months of moderate wear is a reasonable interval.
Stretch, and what it does to the fit
Elastane in denim buys you comfort and costs you shape retention. A pair with meaningful stretch will feel better on day one and will have bagged at the knee by the end of the day, then come most of the way back after a wash.
Rigid denim does the opposite: uncomfortable for the first two weeks, then moulds to you and stays where you put it.
Neither is better. They are different purchases, and the mistake is buying one expecting the other.
What we have deliberately left out
We have not published a shrinkage percentage for any specific pair, and we have not repeated the commonly quoted figures for Levi's shrink-to-fit, because we could not source them from the brand.